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(laughter) (cheers and applause) and folks, peter king is not alone. all of these republicans, this box of peach crayolas down here -- (laughter) all of them have v the balls to say they don't feel bound by the no tax increase pledge. what the hell is going on? here to tell me what the hell is going on, please well from "national review" and co-author of "brand new party, how republicans can win the working class and save the american dream" reihan salam. reihan, thank you very much. (applause) the book is called "the brand new party." let's talk about this grand new party. i don't understand, is this the end of an era? why has the republican party lost their spine? >> the truth is republicans are facing an incredibly difficult political environment and a really challenging fiscal environment as well and that's put a ton of pressure on adhering to the pledge. >> stephen: isn't grover norquist going to bring down the hammer on these guys come midterms? >> it's very hard to say because in some places-- for example south carolina and georgia-- that's very
(laughter) (cheers and applause) and folks, peter king is not alone. all of these republicans, this box of peach crayolas down here -- (laughter) all of them have v the balls to say they don't feel bound by the no tax increase pledge. what the hell is going on? here to tell me what the hell is going on, please well from "national review" and co-author of "brand new party, how republicans can win the working class and save the american dream" reihan salam. reihan, thank you...
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king who made a pledge 25 years ago. times have changed. have you two wars that are not funded. have you a medicare prescription drug plan that a lot of these republicans voted for, not funded. you have a deficit thattic vides a trillion -- that exceeds a trillion dollars. i don't think any republicans will say what the hell let's just raise taxes because barack obama says so. neil: they are running with tails between leg. >> look at the electeds. >> look, bottom line, i don't like pledges of any kind, you have to be pragmatic in washington both sides, democrats should not make pledges either, they need to come to the table. neil: you don't have to worry, they will not. what is going on on the whole tax thing, and whole norquist thing? main were saying that -- today saying, that this is really about the imploying of grover norquist, he took afence to that in my interview earlier, but that is what is going on, probably more more than that, what do you say? >> first, i ca i have to addrest julie said, almost someone who li
king who made a pledge 25 years ago. times have changed. have you two wars that are not funded. have you a medicare prescription drug plan that a lot of these republicans voted for, not funded. you have a deficit thattic vides a trillion -- that exceeds a trillion dollars. i don't think any republicans will say what the hell let's just raise taxes because barack obama says so. neil: they are running with tails between leg. >> look at the electeds. >> look, bottom line, i don't like...
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lindsey graham, saxby chambliss, bob corker and peter king, they've said they're willing to compromise and consider revenue increases to avoid the fiscal clifft. their shift in position has grover norquist vowing to help unseat any republican who breaks his taxpayer protection pledge. the question tonight is whether this is a larger trend or whether republicans are just testing the waters and two men who know about testing the waters, politicking and actually meaning what you say join me now. david frum and james carville, you have been on every side of this. let me start with you though david. republicans talking about raising revenue by closing loopholes. you can get a heck of a lot of revenue that way. is this smart for them r or not? >> republicans are going to be yielding grown, but they have to avoid it under pressure. president has a strong hand. they have to keep their party together. frankly, i think loopholes are the -- so-called loopholes, deductions for home mortgage, at this point, the wrong place to look for new revenue. the place is look is with different kinds of tax s.
lindsey graham, saxby chambliss, bob corker and peter king, they've said they're willing to compromise and consider revenue increases to avoid the fiscal clifft. their shift in position has grover norquist vowing to help unseat any republican who breaks his taxpayer protection pledge. the question tonight is whether this is a larger trend or whether republicans are just testing the waters and two men who know about testing the waters, politicking and actually meaning what you say join me now....
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you know, peter king. nice guy, good guy. i don't know he is -- how many divisions does peter king have? i don't know. >> part of this, the republican party has not developed an alternative idea set other than what they were campaigning on. is it their opening negotiation position. >> bret: we will follow every step. next up, update on the political turmoil in egypt and the administration's response. [ whistle blows ] hi victor! mom? i know you got to go in a minute but this is a real quick me, that's perfect for two! campbell's chunky beef with country vegetables, poured over rice! [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. this monday online only. get the droid razr by motorola in cranberry, free. or a white 7-inch samsung gaxy tab 2, just $99.99. this holiday, get the best deals on the best devices on the best network. exclusively at verizon. >>> are you concerned or critical? >> the policy is a pour choice of words. >> what is important here is that the transition to democracy will be achieved by th
you know, peter king. nice guy, good guy. i don't know he is -- how many divisions does peter king have? i don't know. >> part of this, the republican party has not developed an alternative idea set other than what they were campaigning on. is it their opening negotiation position. >> bret: we will follow every step. next up, update on the political turmoil in egypt and the administration's response. [ whistle blows ] hi victor! mom? i know you got to go in a minute but this is a...
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. >> i know you've had some tough things to say about congressman peter king, for example. his comments about the pledge. but look specifically to his point. some things do change over the years, the economic problems, for example, that we may have had 20 years ago, 40 years ago, they're different than the economic problems right now. so don't different problems call for different solutions? >> well, what was odd about peter king's comment was look, tax increases slow economic growth. tax increases take resources out of the real economy and allow the government to grow and grow. that's always a bad idea. that's not a good idea some years and a bad idea others. leeches, doctors don't put leeches on people ever, it's wrong. don't do it. it doesn't make people stronger. raising taxes, taking money out of the economy, damages the economy, kills jobs, reduces opportunities. >> you know, the latest cnn polls that just came out this week say you're wrong. two of three americans, including a majority of republicans, say the fiscal cliff should be addressed with a mix, a mix of spen
. >> i know you've had some tough things to say about congressman peter king, for example. his comments about the pledge. but look specifically to his point. some things do change over the years, the economic problems, for example, that we may have had 20 years ago, 40 years ago, they're different than the economic problems right now. so don't different problems call for different solutions? >> well, what was odd about peter king's comment was look, tax increases slow economic...
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the pledge is not for life, but everybody who signed the pledge including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today. i hope his wife understands the commitments last a little longer than two years or something. the commitment from the pledge -- >> whoa, whoa. hang on. that was a bit below the belt, grover. >> if you think a commitment is not for as long as you make it for, the commitment for the pledge as peter king well knows when he signed it is that as long as you're in congress you won't rain in spending and reform government and rein is taxes. it's only as long as you're in the house or senate. if he stayed too long, that's his problem. you don't tell the bank, oh, the mortgage wasn't that a long time ago? if you make a commitment, you keep it. >> this pledge was first signed in 1986. >> by some people. of course, every two years people often re-sign it. they make statements on it. this is one of the people having doubts just two years ago made a public letter saying he would never support a deal that had any tax increases, only revenues s
the pledge is not for life, but everybody who signed the pledge including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today. i hope his wife understands the commitments last a little longer than two years or something. the commitment from the pledge -- >> whoa, whoa. hang on. that was a bit below the belt, grover. >> if you think a commitment is not for as long as you make it for, the commitment for the pledge as peter king well knows when he...
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republican congressman, peter king, responded. >> the fact he brought my wife into it. i don't think he has ever met me, certainly never met my wife. he better hope he doesn't. she will knock his head off. >> king also explained why norquist is wrong on substance. >> i did sign a pledge back in 1996, during the whole conflict with the clinton administration over the government shutdown. i was totally opposed to any tax increases at that time. but to say that a pledge on an issue like taxes would last for a lifetime is ridiculous. ronald reagan raised taxes a number of times because that's what he had to do to close the deal. >> when norquist started his anti-tax pledge, the deficit was $220 billion. now, it tops $1 trillion. this is a turning point for the gop or at least it could be. the other thing you need to know about is the money trail. in 2010, 66% of funding for americans for tax reform, norquist's group, came from two billionaire groups, according to an investigation by the nation magazine, karl rove's group, crossroads gps, gave $4 million. the center to prote
republican congressman, peter king, responded. >> the fact he brought my wife into it. i don't think he has ever met me, certainly never met my wife. he better hope he doesn't. she will knock his head off. >> king also explained why norquist is wrong on substance. >> i did sign a pledge back in 1996, during the whole conflict with the clinton administration over the government shutdown. i was totally opposed to any tax increases at that time. but to say that a pledge on an...
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that pledge to look for new ways to generate revenue republican congressman peter king said bluntly, he is not ruling anything out. >> i agree entirely. a pledge to sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago. i think everything should be on the table. lou: two of the senator's not only reversing themselves on raising taxes but also rethinking their opposition to a susan rice secretary of state apartment. senators gramm and mccain both revising their political positis in a bit -- at a breathtaking pace. joining a summer we are calling the republican reset, the fiscal cliff, of course, and the coup in egypt, the president seemingly in search of a campgn. after a long holiday weekend, does anyone remember been gauzy? to find out, we are joined by of and the daily column founder and editor cockies contributor. thank you. let's start with republican party. is that o strong a word? in disarray. >> i think disarray is a little strong right now. we will see. it is one thing to talk about these issues so far in advance. in terms of the norquist tax pledge and certainly the susan rice, these are noises t
that pledge to look for new ways to generate revenue republican congressman peter king said bluntly, he is not ruling anything out. >> i agree entirely. a pledge to sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago. i think everything should be on the table. lou: two of the senator's not only reversing themselves on raising taxes but also rethinking their opposition to a susan rice secretary of state apartment. senators gramm and mccain both revising their political positis in a bit -- at a breathtaking...
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take a listen, sir. >> everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> so, mr. moran, air cording to mr. norquist, if peter king changes his mind in order to help the very people you just described that will thereby help the american economy, then he's more likely to commit adultery? is that what he's saying? >> his wife should be far more ashamed of peter if he were to let himself be bullied by this guy grover. i mean, grover seems to be a mild-tempered guy but he employs these bullying intimidation tactics. the republican party should say, look, i'm bigging than that, i answer to my quaeconstituents. who are you to tell me how i can best served the needs of this country. grover norquist couldn't get elected to anything, dog catcher even. yet he's out there intimidating all these folks that some of whom really want to do the right thing and now is the time when they have to do the right thing, when they ha
take a listen, sir. >> everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> so, mr. moran, air cording to mr. norquist, if peter king changes his mind in order to help the very people you just described that will thereby help the american economy, then he's more likely to commit adultery? is that what he's...
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peter king who was here, we were talking in the green room. democrat, republican, steve israel, further out, we have to work together. governor comeau and governor christie. this is not a democrat or republican issue. this is an american issue. we come together and make sure that our citizens survive. i think you'll see us go in with a unified voice trying to say that we have to have the funds appropriated that are necessary to help people to get back on their feet. governor comeau is having a meeting tomorrow, for example, with all of those who are affected in new york. all of the elected so we can try to come together and speak with one voice. i think that is important. and i think that we can do that in a bipartisan manner because all of us have been affected. >> congressman meeks, good to see you. thank you for sharing your photos and the experiences and of course our best to everybody in your district as we continue to check in on them. thank you very much. to check in on them. thank you very much. >>> we wiuse nyquil d... [ ding! ] ...an
peter king who was here, we were talking in the green room. democrat, republican, steve israel, further out, we have to work together. governor comeau and governor christie. this is not a democrat or republican issue. this is an american issue. we come together and make sure that our citizens survive. i think you'll see us go in with a unified voice trying to say that we have to have the funds appropriated that are necessary to help people to get back on their feet. governor comeau is having a...
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peter king says a pledge is good at the time you sign it. in 1941 i would have voted to declare war on japan. but each congress is a new congress and you can't have a rule that you're never going to raise or lower taxes. i don't want to rule anything out. senator of georgia said, i'm frankly not concerned about the norquist pledge. senator john mccain said fewer and fewer people are signing this "pledge." it's actually a pledge, but any way. senator coburn called it "a tortured vision of tax purity." and it did you want end there in that article. bill crystal said this. >> let's have a serious debate. don't scream and yell when one person says, it won't kill the country if we raise taxes on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer. >> a calmist at the national review wrote, as a matter of political strategy not to say survival, republicans will have to agree to raise taxes on those defined as rich. republicans must also contend with the pew poll that asked who would be more to blame if a deal were not reached
peter king says a pledge is good at the time you sign it. in 1941 i would have voted to declare war on japan. but each congress is a new congress and you can't have a rule that you're never going to raise or lower taxes. i don't want to rule anything out. senator of georgia said, i'm frankly not concerned about the norquist pledge. senator john mccain said fewer and fewer people are signing this "pledge." it's actually a pledge, but any way. senator coburn called it "a tortured...
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so other republicans did not listen to peter king or these others. >> and this guy is a political lone shark. the majority of americans want to see tax rates go up on the rich but will norquist convince enough republicans it's better to dig in their heels than to reach a compromise? tom coburn is the republican senator from oklahoma and joe klein is a columnist for "time." senator, i don't want to abuse your presence. my children think you're the greatest. i have a couple kids, one who worked on the debt commission and another one who just loves you for some reason. let's find out why. it seems to me if you look at the numbers, just arithmetic here, right now the government is taking in 15.7% of the gdp in the current fiscal year and spending 22.9% of the gdp. common sense tells us if we're going to get to 20, it seems like getting maybe to 20 maybe some liberals want to bid more, conservatives want to bid less. you have to come in both directions. your thoughts? >> i agree. the problem, chris, is we haven't had long-term thinkers in congress for a long time, and if you really look at
so other republicans did not listen to peter king or these others. >> and this guy is a political lone shark. the majority of americans want to see tax rates go up on the rich but will norquist convince enough republicans it's better to dig in their heels than to reach a compromise? tom coburn is the republican senator from oklahoma and joe klein is a columnist for "time." senator, i don't want to abuse your presence. my children think you're the greatest. i have a couple kids,...
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. >> the pledge is not for life, but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the same thing with other people who are elected because they made that written commitment to the people of their state. >> that sounds like a threat. >> why does he keep making this romantic sexual thing? >> don't make it sexual! >> impure thoughts? romance and marriage? >> he's really sad. he's a little heartbroken here. he's had a lot of his life in this sacred oath, and they're discarding it like it was nothing. dan, two grover's point, you know, are those republicans having just impure thoughts as he put it, or are they willing to move away from the pledge and actually when it comes down to it not just increase revenues through closing loopholes but increase the rates? >> this is the reason why we shoul
. >> the pledge is not for life, but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the same thing with other people who are elected because they made that written commitment to the people of...
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peter king knows -- congressman peter king of new york noknows full well the pledge he signed and others, it's for while you're in congress, not a two-year period. >> it sounded to me he was sort of saying you have to re-up it for it to be legal or whatever the right word is. >> first of all, it's explained to everyone when they sign, it's in writing with them when they sign that it's a commitment while you're in -- while you're in the house or while you're in the senate. you run for a different office, you take it again. and so the congressman from ohio is leaving -- it doesn't pass the laugh test. that's an odd position. if you want to go to your voters and say i promised you this and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don't have an argument with me. you've made a commitment to your voters. >> but it is, to some degree, i know you like to sort of step back and act as if that you don't really have that much to do with the pledge. but the pledge does come from you. i've read a lot. last week when we were talking you sort of said the same thing. we'
peter king knows -- congressman peter king of new york noknows full well the pledge he signed and others, it's for while you're in congress, not a two-year period. >> it sounded to me he was sort of saying you have to re-up it for it to be legal or whatever the right word is. >> first of all, it's explained to everyone when they sign, it's in writing with them when they sign that it's a commitment while you're in -- while you're in the house or while you're in the senate. you run...
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king didn't invent that. >> that's something that grover was rebuffed. you can opt out. >> once you're in, that's it. >> yes. >> but look, the big good news for progressives here, there are two fundamental values that have driven the economic conversation for republicans in this era. one is deficit is the biggest problem. here we are with the cliff, the curve, whatever you want to call it and what do we find out? even republicans are warning they don't want to go over the cliff because guess what? just cutting the deficit without any regard to the rest of our priorities is a bad idea. it happens to be the heart of republican economic policy and the other thing about never raising taxes, guess what? we don't have the gdp to seniors ratio than we did 20 years ago, so if we're going to be serious about an ageing population, it means you can't stick to these fantasies. >> i remember two years ago on the show, introducing him to the audience and explaining he's the most powerful republican in government and i had to do this long thing on who he is. and now, h
king didn't invent that. >> that's something that grover was rebuffed. you can opt out. >> once you're in, that's it. >> yes. >> but look, the big good news for progressives here, there are two fundamental values that have driven the economic conversation for republicans in this era. one is deficit is the biggest problem. here we are with the cliff, the curve, whatever you want to call it and what do we find out? even republicans are warning they don't want to go over...
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peter king yesterday. >> i agree entirely, a pledge you signed 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1841 i would have signed the declaration of war against japan, but i'm not going to go to war against japan today. >> bill: now listen to his follow up. >> i think everybody should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases. i agree with trying to find the best practice. i have faith in john boehner. i think so far he has been pretty conciliatory in his language. >> bill: but no tax increases. also yesterday on one of the sunday shows on "this week." >> when you are $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming brief and republicans should put revenue on the table. we are this far in debt capping deductions will help generate revenue. >> bill: oh, there again, yeah. no new revenue, yes. but not raising taxes. lindsay graham goes on to something else that he throws out here. >> i agree with we shouldn't raise rates, but i think grover is wrong. what do you do with the money? buy down debt and cut rates
peter king yesterday. >> i agree entirely, a pledge you signed 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1841 i would have signed the declaration of war against japan, but i'm not going to go to war against japan today. >> bill: now listen to his follow up. >> i think everybody should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases. i agree with trying to find the best practice. i have faith in john boehner. i think so far he has been pretty...
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everybody who signed the pledge including peter king, who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> eliot: warren buffett continued to be the pragmatic voice of the majority. >> i think there is a general feeling among the american public certainly and even among many in congress that the rich like me have been getting away with low tax rates and it is time to make the tax rates more progressive. >> eliot: for more on the fiscal cliff negotiations, i'm joined by congressman peter welch, democrat from vermont. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> eliot: what should the deal look like? all of the chatter, smoke and mirrors, what is the deal you would like to see? >> well, first of all, i do believe the middle class has a stake and a good, solid balanced, deficit reduction plan. the plan should be what the president campaigned on, namely balance. that means we've got to have a substantial contribution from revenues. the revenues have to come from the folk
everybody who signed the pledge including peter king, who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> eliot: warren buffett continued to be the pragmatic voice of the majority. >> i think there is a general feeling among the american public certainly and even among many in congress that the rich like me have been getting away with low tax rates and it is time...
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you're talking about guys, you know, in saxby chambliss, peter king, coker, lindsey graham, who have been fiscal conservatives their entire lives. so it's very hard, i think, to make the argument. i think it's silly, also, to have this circular fire squad against good republicans who have been getting elected, and, you know, in order -- i think it's silly to take a circular fire squad and take him out during a primary, because of some piece of paper that got signed or not signed, lived up to or not lived up to. if, in fact, they are fiscal conservatives, which is the entire point of this discussion. we are losing the point of it. because we're getting so hung up on this, you know, piece of paper. i really find it somewhat silly, the entire thing. >> some people have suggested there is an interesting procedural solution to this idea, and that would be to actually let everything go off the cliff, even just for a day. what would happen then is the tax rates would automatically go up on everyone. again, even just a day. then on january 2nd or oh january 3rd or january 4th, everyone could
you're talking about guys, you know, in saxby chambliss, peter king, coker, lindsey graham, who have been fiscal conservatives their entire lives. so it's very hard, i think, to make the argument. i think it's silly, also, to have this circular fire squad against good republicans who have been getting elected, and, you know, in order -- i think it's silly to take a circular fire squad and take him out during a primary, because of some piece of paper that got signed or not signed, lived up to or...
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we did hear from peter king, a congressman. no many house members are running to the microphones to renounce grover norquist's tax pledge. isn't that where we're going to have the most trouble, will? >> yeah. you definitely have the most trouble in the house of representatives. look, republicans are still dedicated to a low tax principle. they still want to achieve that. the problem is i used to own businesses, carol. i used to buy and sell newspapers. i didn't get to tidictate the price. >> i think you in your passionate hand gesture you knocked your microphone off. >> did i really? you just missed genius. you missed genius. >> i was so eager to hear what you were saying. >> i've got to quit gesticulating so much. >> you're not even -- >> will cain, jason johnson, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. >>> actor morgan freeman is putting his voice behind a new ad touting the election day victories in three states to legalize same-sex marriage. >> freedom, justice and human dignity have always guided our journey toward
we did hear from peter king, a congressman. no many house members are running to the microphones to renounce grover norquist's tax pledge. isn't that where we're going to have the most trouble, will? >> yeah. you definitely have the most trouble in the house of representatives. look, republicans are still dedicated to a low tax principle. they still want to achieve that. the problem is i used to own businesses, carol. i used to buy and sell newspapers. i didn't get to tidictate the price....
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king among other republicans who said they'd be willing to break away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. will you say if you're willing to break that pledge in order to save the country from the fiscal cliff. >> hello, thomas. and first of all, i signed that pledge two years ago, and the reason i signed it is because i think increasing tax rates, increasing the amount of money that the federal government takes away from job creators is going to harm economic growth and economic growth is the number one component to a solution. what all these senators are saying is they'll take a look at their pledge only if the president puts forward his plan. how is he going to close the other part of that deficit? you know, his proposal right now, the most he can say would raise would be about $68 billion when our deficit last year was $90 billion. what is the president's plan for closing the additional additional $1 trillion worth of deficit? i think that's incumbent on the president to put forward his plan. >> from your standpoint alone, there's no way you see fit in the coming 35 days that y
king among other republicans who said they'd be willing to break away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. will you say if you're willing to break that pledge in order to save the country from the fiscal cliff. >> hello, thomas. and first of all, i signed that pledge two years ago, and the reason i signed it is because i think increasing tax rates, increasing the amount of money that the federal government takes away from job creators is going to harm economic growth and economic...
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now, here's peter king from this morning. >> i myself am opposed to tax increases. they are going to be in a room trying to find the best prackag. we should not be making iron clad positions. so far he's pretty conciliatory in his language. >> so pretty hopeful as the clock particulars towards january 1st and the fiscal cliff, some call it a fiscal slope, some people are talking about it as a way to force people to really come to the table and there's one things that republicans are insisting on that they say they are opened to and that is entitlement reform. alex? >> okay. mike viquera at the white house. joining me is andy sullivan. thank you for being back. eleanor, i'll start with you. let's listen to dick durbin and lindsey graham today. >> okay. >> there's a bipartisan bill passed by the senate that will spare 98% of taxpayers across america from any income tax raises and 90% of the businesses. it's a bipartisan bill the house should pass to make sure we go forward with these negotiations without this specter of tax increases for working families. >> i'm willi
now, here's peter king from this morning. >> i myself am opposed to tax increases. they are going to be in a room trying to find the best prackag. we should not be making iron clad positions. so far he's pretty conciliatory in his language. >> so pretty hopeful as the clock particulars towards january 1st and the fiscal cliff, some call it a fiscal slope, some people are talking about it as a way to force people to really come to the table and there's one things that republicans are...
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peter king said this two years ago, lindsey graham said this two years ago. chamblis of georgia said this two years ago. they said all these things all during the negotiations where they tried to undermine where john boehner and mitch mcconnell got 2.5 trillion in spending cuts without a dollar than tax increase and those people who are out there trying to offer tax increases undermining the rest of the republican party, undermining taxpayers and not keeping their word to the constituents who elected them. the same people are making comments now. bill: i think a lot of people on the right are not going to argue with you when they see $16 trillion in debt it just blows their minds and they think all the money that goes to washington it's not coming back home. it will only be spent and taken into a deeper hole. we have a new reality now, the wall street journel has an editorial today, it argues, let speaker john boehner debate the tax reform idea as long as he can to mitigate the damage that would come from democrats in the first place. why not allow that? >> w
peter king said this two years ago, lindsey graham said this two years ago. chamblis of georgia said this two years ago. they said all these things all during the negotiations where they tried to undermine where john boehner and mitch mcconnell got 2.5 trillion in spending cuts without a dollar than tax increase and those people who are out there trying to offer tax increases undermining the rest of the republican party, undermining taxpayers and not keeping their word to the constituents who...
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because we have seen in the last few days, saxby chambliss lindsey graham, peter king, bob corker is the other one who said we're not bound by this. we don't feel we're bound by this pledge anymore. chuck schumer yesterday dan indicating that this -- he sees this as a good sign. >> republicans in both the house and senate are deciding they no longer want to be married to this pledge. republicans are saying they want a divorce from grover norquist. that alone is a leading indicator that the fiscal deal is within reach. both sides are still far apart. the discussions over the next few weeks will be difficult but with each new republican disavowing grover norquist, the chances of a deal rises sharply. >> bill: daniella, is grover over? >> oh, please, lord, let it be true! you know, i think so. there was a funny thing politico arena they ask these questions every day. one of the questions a couple of days ago was is grover norquist's reign over. the first person who responded was grover norquist. no. republicans are -- blah, blah, blah. >> bill: he says his pledge is the same as your maj
because we have seen in the last few days, saxby chambliss lindsey graham, peter king, bob corker is the other one who said we're not bound by this. we don't feel we're bound by this pledge anymore. chuck schumer yesterday dan indicating that this -- he sees this as a good sign. >> republicans in both the house and senate are deciding they no longer want to be married to this pledge. republicans are saying they want a divorce from grover norquist. that alone is a leading indicator that...
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peter king said the same on "meet the press." what say you about the norquist pledge? you're a signatory. >> i really am surprised about the obsession with this one individual that doesn't compare at all to the lack of obsession about the economic doldrums that we're in as a nation. look, people didn't sign that pledge because they were coerced into it. people signed that pledge because it encompasses the kinds of solutions that will move us in the right direction. increasing tax rates on the american people and on small businesses means you take money from people, money from small businesses, and you transfer it to the government. we don't believe that that's the wise place to do that. we believe that those dollars are best spent and the economy is helped most when those dollars are left in people's pockets and small businesses. so why folks would negotiate with themselves about whether or not they still think that that's a positive economic principle, is beyond me. >> well, presuming that you can get a balanced approach which what is the president wants, which means
peter king said the same on "meet the press." what say you about the norquist pledge? you're a signatory. >> i really am surprised about the obsession with this one individual that doesn't compare at all to the lack of obsession about the economic doldrums that we're in as a nation. look, people didn't sign that pledge because they were coerced into it. people signed that pledge because it encompasses the kinds of solutions that will move us in the right direction. increasing...
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lindsey graham said exactly that and peter king did too. it is against raising taxes. there are other ways to do revenue. the democrats don't like those other ways. it is called growth. that brings in more revenue. and readjusting the tax code to bring in more revenue. you don't have to raise taxes on anybody. host: let's go to jim in new castle, delaware, on our republican line. caller: good morning. the reason we have to be against tax increases and for spending cuts is to just show that we are a different party than the national sociologist parted as running the white house and the senate right now. economic growth is being held back by the gigantic government in this country. have to go over= a cliff. right now we have to change the business cycle. washington is getting bigger and we are getting closer to the final disaster. republicans have to stand for something. it cannot just be democrat light. i am a republican and am pretty disgusted by what going on in the republican party. we need to get some conservatives running. we cannot just keep nominating the next gu
lindsey graham said exactly that and peter king did too. it is against raising taxes. there are other ways to do revenue. the democrats don't like those other ways. it is called growth. that brings in more revenue. and readjusting the tax code to bring in more revenue. you don't have to raise taxes on anybody. host: let's go to jim in new castle, delaware, on our republican line. caller: good morning. the reason we have to be against tax increases and for spending cuts is to just show that we...
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on japan. >> i know. >> it's not just peter king on the taxes. it's a big step, don't you think? >> it's a big step. >> grover. yeah, grover's taking a big hit since the election. there's no doubt about it. i think john, you'd verify this. number of republicans, i've talked to a couple of united states senators who said there's at least 10 to 12 republican senators who are willing to walk away from grover norquist on the tax pledge. >> it's breaking out all over. sanity is contagious. >> now, the question is, is the president going to stay where he is and go, you know what? we're going to do it my way or no other way? we're going to raise it to 90 -- to 39.6%. steve rattner had a great column yesterday. >> it's a must-read. >> you know there's more than one way to skin a cat, more than one way to raise over a trillion dollars in revenues. it doesn't just have to be the president's way. is the white house going to insist on the 39.6% tax rate, or will they consider the loophole part of it plus capital gains, plus a couple of other things? >> well,
on japan. >> i know. >> it's not just peter king on the taxes. it's a big step, don't you think? >> it's a big step. >> grover. yeah, grover's taking a big hit since the election. there's no doubt about it. i think john, you'd verify this. number of republicans, i've talked to a couple of united states senators who said there's at least 10 to 12 republican senators who are willing to walk away from grover norquist on the tax pledge. >> it's breaking out all over....
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whether it is lindsey graham, peter king, john mccain, on and on, similar comment over the weekend. if another republican is watching that, what would you say to them if they areethinking about breaking this pledge? >> let's distinguish with what boehner have said. i certainly agree, if the economy grew at 4% instead of 2% for the next decade, the federal government would net an additional $5 trillion. you could pay all of obama's death down. connell: that is not what he is talking about. >> okay. i am sorry. what he said is what i said. what obama claims he said is a separate matter. boehner was very clear. obama said, oh, you have agreed to tax increases. the talks collapsed because obama misstated. connell: what you say to republicans who are thinking about breaking the pledge? >> look, most republicans have signed the pledge. even the ones who have not have made it very clear even when they ran for office, higher taxes have hurt the economy. they have spent too much money. the entitlements are looking to break the economy. we need to spend less. raising taxes to get the politici
whether it is lindsey graham, peter king, john mccain, on and on, similar comment over the weekend. if another republican is watching that, what would you say to them if they areethinking about breaking this pledge? >> let's distinguish with what boehner have said. i certainly agree, if the economy grew at 4% instead of 2% for the next decade, the federal government would net an additional $5 trillion. you could pay all of obama's death down. connell: that is not what he is talking about....